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A special interview with Mr. Ma Zhenchuan, Standing member of Beijing Municipal Committee of CPC,Director of Beijing Public Security Bureau and General commander of Security Command Center for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games on progress of Security Work for 2008 Beijing Olympic Games By Phoenix TV
                                          May  8, 2007                           by Carl Chi



On the morning of April 25, 2007, Cao Jingxing, commentator of “Jing Xing Chang’an Jie” program of Phoenix TV had a special interview with Mr. Ma Zhenchuan, standing member of Beijing Municipal Committee of  the CPC and director of Beijing Public Security Bureau and Mr. Ma Zhenchuan introduced the progress of Security Work for 2008 Beijing Olympic Game.


President Ma said this year is crucial to the security preparatory work for the Beijing Olympic Games and relevant work of employees, equipment and plan has been fully started. The security work embodies obvious China’s characters and also absorbs security work experiences from Olympic games held in the past. Besides, the security work get widely support from all walks of life and they have faith to ensure a secure Olympic games. Director Ma emphasized that a secure Beijing will promise a secure Olympic games and it’s the location of the security work.


At present, Beijing Public Security Bureau is seeking overall coverage for Beijing area with style of “four networks” holding work ideas of “Integral control, precise direction and precise striking” to master the public security situation of Beijing.


 “Jing Xing Chang’an Jie” is a talk show program concerning current Chinese politics and social trends in all directions presided by Mr. Cao Jingxing.
 
Program: overview of Security Problems of Beijing Olympic Games


Host: Welcome to our program and let’s concern the situation development of China together. Today, we will come to Olympic games. We know there is a special sector called Security and safeguarding. Today, at the First Session of the 29th Olympic Games International Cooperation & Coordination Consultative Committee, we will have a site interview with Mr. Ma Zhenchuan, Director of Beijing Public Security Bureau and General Director of Security Command Center for Beijing Olympic Games as well.
A secure Beijing is the premise of a secure Olympic games


Host: Hello, Mr. Mayor. You know, I have rare chance to have an interview with you concerning security problems of Olympic games. We learn that all works are being carried out smoothly. Security problems, as a masteries sector, which looks low-keyed, is we concern about. Here, I would like to know what is the crucial stage of the security work as you mentioned in the session?


Ma Zhenchuan: The past years saw the preparatory work for the Olympic games since we won the bidding. The 29th Olympic games will be officially opened in the April next year. We hope to do all the work well and solve all problems at the end of the year 2007.We call the important year as crucial year. The name could be understood much easier, which requires a high standards phase for our work, too.

Host: We know International Olympic Committee show satisfaction for the different aspects of the preparatory work for the Olympic games in their recent inspection in Beijing. According to our learning, many preparatory works have been realized meeting the requirements of the timetable. Could you tell us, if the security work has been carried out smoothly just like other items or we could say we has made it?

Ma Zhenchuan: It is much easier to do security work well for each concrete event and activity in the period of Olympic games held in Beijing. But, in that nearly two months, millions of officials, athletes, referees, reporters and tourists from all around the world will visit the games. We position our security work as solving the security problems of Beijing. So, the work standard we addressed is that a secure Beijing is the premise and basis of a secure Olympic games.


Host: So, this is different preparatory work for Olympic games compared with the preparatory work for those Olympic games held in the past.


Ma Zhenchuan: It’s different.


Host:  In fact, your statement points two bedding planes of security. One is the Olympic games and the other is Beijing city. Could you tell us what’s the difference between security works of the Olympic games itself and reception and other security in the past?


Ma Zhenchuan: Take main gyms in which opening and closing ceremonies will be held, and central area of Olympic games as examples; some security elements had been considered when the plan was done. Some technological equipment for security had been used there. In this respect, we do best compared with other countries according to my knowledge. The application of the security equipment provide good security basis. Besides, we boast rich security practicing experience for a variety of large-scale international meetings held in Beijing. We at least shoulder annual National People’s Congress (NPC) and China People’s Political Consultative Congress (CPPCC). We have richer relevant experience than other countries.


Host: There are so many activities, which last a long time. People pay most attention to the opening and closing ceremonies that are new things for Beijing. How could we ensure a security Olympic games without any mistakes and at least keep its order? In addition, the entire communications and environments conditions at that time should be considered. Where could we get relevant experience? Do we need do some practice?


Ma Zhenchuan: Practice is a must. We have prepared dozens of plans for the so-called “Crucial Year.” Taking opening and closing ceremonies for examples, some work should be down. Let’s talk the opening ceremony firstly. We should have special plan for communications, security and People’s entrance. Of course, we should have assorted plan for large activity besides of that. If a series of plans have been made, we should carry out some inferences to prove they are right. We want a normal opening ceremony with smooth concentration and evacuation of viewers. The works are complex and large in number. Relevant inferences would be fully finished at the end of the year. The practice you mentioned just now shall be started next year.


Beijing Citizens should have security sense


Host: Do you have materially pressure or human resource pressure from view of your department?

Ma Zhenchuan: Very great pressure. We should do the work with all the police power including all the military police power. They are the main strength for an order Beijing. Besides, we raise a new idea. We call for all the Beijing citizens should have security sense in the period of Olympic games and provide their help and coordination for our work and protect them at least. That’s very important.


Host: What are the characters of our security work for large activities especially for Olympic games compared to past Olympic games held in Greece or Sidney?


Ma Zhenchuan: All the countries concern Security. The theme of today’s international conference could justify our talk. At the current world, terrorism is a prominent problem. Besides of that, at present, we could not image other serious problem in the period of the Olympic games. Concerning the problem, we have reinforced international cooperation with other countries and we want their help. We have full faith to do the work well.


Host: We still remember that some accidents occurred in the past Olympic games.

Ma Zhenchuan: Yes!


Host: Could we absorb some experience from these cases or we are doing something with the cases?


Ma Zhenchuan: We compile a manual for security problems happened in the past Olympic games since Tokyo Olympic games held in Japan in 1964.These cases had direct harm for Olympic games in different times, environments with different security elements. We dissect each of these cases and learn lessons form them. We get their causes and solving modes. With the chance, we introduce the most advanced anti-terrorist equipment from other countries to lift our anti-terrorist ability with the security expanse of the Olympic games. The improvement in equipment and experience are the last heritage of Olympic games for us.

The most important problem is antiterrorist

Host: Ok! Let’s back to our program and continue our talk! Just now, at the conference, some reports raised some antiterrorist problems. It seems that antiterrorist is really the most important issue in the contents of the security work. How do you think of that?

Ma Zhenchuan: It is indeed the most important problem of the security work in the period of Olympic games. Terrorists often aim at environments with many people, big influence and in which great harm could be made. As a special sports gala, the Olympic games should be a targeted objective by terrorists. So, we say it is the important problem. But when we talk terrorism, we should cautious expression with right scale. There may exist common criminal offences, which will harm wide coverage. They are without political aims and profits aims. Such criminal offences should be rigidly differentiated compared with terrorist acts. Some of these criminal offices have complicated reasons such as problems between different peoples and countries. And we should have a concrete analysis for them. In principle, we will strike all the terrorists as well as all the terrorist attacks.

Host: Could we say prevention is crucial?

Ma Zhenchun: Prevention is crucial, indeed.

Host: Where is crucial for prevention?

Ma Zhenchuan: It is lies in information. We can know potential terrorist acts with it. As we all know, the prevention of such acts is very difficult. So, our city or our department has a hope that we want create a special environment, in which no terrorists could be lived. We are doing some hard work for this objective. Just my words said above, I need a secure Beijing to ensure a secure Olympic games.

Host: As an important tactics you have said-A secure Beijing ensures an Olympic games. In fact, a secure Beijing is more important, provided that the Olympic games will not be held here. Over one year later, the Olympic games, as an important international activity, will be opened in Beijing; we want to know if the idea of “secure Beijing” has been fully elaborated?

Ma Zhenchuan: The objective of secure Beijing is what we committed ourselves to in the past years. In the nearly two or three years, an American idea of “zero tolerance” in security aspect spreads to Beijing. Take for example, a broken window could not be mended in time shows a careless person.

Host: Then, what will happen when the second person comes?


Ms Zhenchuan: The second person may break the window again or stolen the house. With the example, then, we could say any potential risks should be treated with the idea of “zero tolerance.” That is: we could not make any mistakes. We are accepting such ideas with same objective, though we have different expression modes. For example, Beijing Public Security Bureau raises an idea named “sand pile effect.” Important criminal cases could be likened nose and we could cut it by reducing the coverage of the base. Then, the sand pile will decline.

That is to say, we can reduce important cases by reducing general cases. And we could reduce general cases by maintaining a good social order. That’s a new idea compared with past ones. At present, we pay more attention to the social order of Beijing and try to reduce the “coverage base of the sand pile,” and reduce more elements for criminal cases.

The idea is easy to understand but hard to achieve adding more and more difficult work for us.

Host: what would you like to do maintain a better social order in the following period of over one year?

Ma Zhenchuan: Beijing covers an area of 16 thousand square kilometers with a population of nearly 16 million. In fact, it has nearly 16 million residents. It is our most difficult problem to tackle with these social order problems rising from the two population base number. We converge all the administration area with four networks of “ patrol network, community network, public security network and internal network.” The four networks could cover all Beijing in theory. But in fact, there are much mountain area and farmland in Beijing. You can neglect these areas.

With all coverage of complex area, population- density area, flourishing area, core and critical area in theory, we send each policeman to the appointed location in the streets. That is to say, you could not maintain social order well just in the office; you should go to street to cope with concrete problems. We send police power to front lines, complex area and flourishing area.

We let policemen have short-range contacts with citizens and have same time and space with suspects. The act could lead to good prevention and striking effect. So, I mentioned “sand pile effect” and takes above acts adopted by us as the basis. We should reduce the coverage of the sand pile base and then we could see a good result.

Host: That’s the problem of mechanism.

Ma Zhenchuan: You are right.

Host: But the work needs equipment, technology and drilling etc.

Ma Zhenchuan: Sure! You need the basic communication and vehicles. You need receive order and communicate with others in time to cope with problems. We have set up a command system, in which orders will be sent to each policeman in the street. Such direction system and type play great role for fast responses. The police power in the street, complex area, flourishing area, important environment and being with citizens, could has same work time, space and steps and get an excellent striking effect for suspects. The system could enlarge striking ability and prevention coverage for each policeman. Then, our objective of reducing the sand pile base could be realized.

Wide communications are needed for News sector

Host: Let’s go back to our talk. As we all know, for the objective of Secure Beijing and secure Olympic, we should do some hard work. But, I have a talk with my overseas collogues, they mentioned their unpleasant interviewing experience contacting with some policemen in the past occasions like some important international activities and the news workers could not accept their aptitudes of the policemen. 

They don’t think there will be any danger elements in the coming Olympic games Held in China and they have fully faith. But they worry that the safeguarding system going too far, which will limit acts of normal people of China and visitors. They even think China is a policing country. Could the coming 2008 Olympic games be held in loose atmosphere? What’s your view of that?

Ma Zhenchuan: You know, for the reason of our traditional culture, you would not like your home visitors know your ashamed affairs. That’s our culture and tradition.

Host: What’s about foreigners?

Ma Zhenchuan:I am afraid it’s the same.

Host: Mr He Zhenliang once told me when an Olympic games-maybe Winter Olympic games held in Italy. Some beggars were sent to other cities. On some sense, they also hope to show their decent aspect.

Ma Zhenchuan: such type problem may be hidden in the process of order maintained. They would not like such things to be showed to other people, visitors and especially news media. Relevant news could arouse great bad impression and then, Beijing will not be respectable with such bad news. So, we pay more attention to these problems and such relevant reports.

The different cultural backgrounds could arouse misunderstanding. It is not a stipulation and the policy of the central committee of CPC. It’s a protection measure for pride of Chinese people. Such understanding and expression may be understood and communicated much easier. You could not say normal police acts lead to a policing country even to a closed China. It is different all in all. I think wide communications and more understandings for us should be carried out for news media.

Host: I wonder if such condition could be found in the period of the Olympic games held that you could see policemen in uniform are in every corner of the gyms and grounds, which will lead to a tense atmosphere?

Olympic Games are world sports gala just like a festival seeking loose atmosphere. Beijing wants a happy and harmonious Olympic games. Besides, we don’t let any mistakes happen in the game. On some sense, they provide two but the same standard for our work. But we know the former objective is much important.

There is no doubt the former objective for seeking a happy and harmoniums games is more important than our work. Few police uniforms will appeared in the gyms and grounds to create a loose atmosphere in an opening environment and avoid any conflict with the aim of Olympic games.
Host: Whether in casual wear or uniform, policemen should fulfill their security duty. Are there some differences compared with policemen in casual wear in the ordinary days?

Ma Zhenchuan: It’s different. But we would have a clear answer for your question. We are striving for this direction. Olympic games could leave us some heritage just like we said above. Maybe this is a part of nonmaterial heritage. I think some traditional acts and customary acts of us will be changed obviously by the Olympic games. And that’s our ambition, too.

Host: The change will be embodied on quality of people?

Ma Zhenchuan: Concerning people’s quality and work style, I pursuit a loose and harmonious public security work style blended into life of common citizens.

Host: Apart from common citizens, there are millions of outsiders for the Olympic games. How to deal with these people?

Ma Zhenchuan: At present stage, we can’t avoid the issue of outsiders. From the view of government, Beijing Municipal government always tries to play down the conception of outsiders. They want real number of residents and the government hopes to treat them equally. But it is a very complex problem. The outsiders could not be explain as all the people of different levels from all over the country. We seek a more objective solving way. Some people complain about the problem, but in fact, they lack the basic living conditions.

In the sense of urban management, we should take precautions for these people with hard living conditions. They have no houses, no jobs and have no basic living conditions in the city. They suffered a lot and we could not turn a blind eye to them. They could live much easier in their hometown with their own houses and farmland. So, we advise them to go home. Such problem should be understood with a concrete analysis, which sounds more comfortable. It is not mandatory act to repatriate migrant workers.
Migrant workers would not be mandatory repatriated

Host: Now, the 2008 Beijing Olympic games is around the corner, some rumors say migrant workers will be briefly repatriated or be sent to their hometown or some special acts will be carried out when the Olympic games is held .Say, some work for migrant workers would be cut off at that period?

Ma Zhenchuan:I can give you clear answer about that. There are not so many mandatory acts.

Host: I learned in English just now that you are the general commander of the Security Command Center for the 29th Olympic games, what’s you most concern?

Ma Zhenchuan: For sure, my biggest anxiety is that some accidents may happen. You could ask where and what. I always try to find potential risks and their solving modes. In our bureau cadre meeting, we stress that each person and each post should try hard to find potential insecure elements every day. If you miss some insecure elements, that’s your malpractice and you are not carrying out your duty seriously.

I try to find any insecure potential elements as possible as I can. If some unexpected accidents occur, I need special solving modes. The responsibilities weigh heavily on me. I fear that unexpected accidents and failing in duty. That’s also my most worried thing.

Host: Now, let’s suppose your place. Where will you sit when the opening ceremony is held in August 8, 2008?

Ma Zhenchuan: According to the common practice, I should be in the “Bird Nest”, the main meeting place in which the opening ceremony is held. I should direct at the first time personally.

Host: If I have another interview chance, maybe I can see the practical situation with the idea.

Ma Zhenchuan: I think I need not direct too much with our ambition. If I am in a flurry at that time, it will indicate all our work before are wasted and our work of this year fail. So, Mr. Tao, I also hope to have a second talk with you on the site of the opening ceremony next year.

Host: Ok! Let’s end our program and see you at the same time next week.

 
 
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